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Take a card from the trash and put into play...

Is this considered playing a card?  One of Legacy's cards prevent the villan from playing cards.  One of Omnitrons forms takes a device or component from the trash and put into play.  Does Legacy's card prevent this in addition to playing the villian card from the top of the villain deck?


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TheJayMann wrote:
Is this considered playing a card?  One of Legacy's cards prevent the villan from playing cards.  One of Omnitrons forms takes a device or component from the trash and put into play.  Does Legacy's card prevent this in addition to playing the villian card from the top of the villain deck?

Good question. That's how I read it.


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The reason I scrutinize this is because such cards say take a card from the trash and put into play, they don't say take a card from the trash and play it.  Unless these are determined to be different wording for the same meaning, "Take a card and put into play" never states the card is actually being played, only that it's being placed in the area known as in play.  If so deemed, it can mean the same thing, though the wording on taking a card from the hand into play (or the top of a non hero deck into play) is always mentioned as playing a card, whereas taking it from trash is always mentioned as placing into play. (At least this is true in every case I've noticed thus far.)


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TheJayMan is correct on this one.  For the villain (or the environment), "playing a card" means putting a card from the top of the appropriate deck into play.  Putting a card from the trash into play is a different sort of action (and is not prevented by an effect that reads "The villain cannot play cards".


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Well, I'm not sure if you can say I was correct, when I myself was asking which is correct, though I gues you could infer how I asked which one I believed was true...


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Yeah I guess that was ambiguous... In particular, the sentence where you said

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Unless these are determined to be different wording for the same meaning, "Take a card and put into play" never states the card is actually being played, only that it's being placed in the area known as in play.

was true :)


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This makes it virtually impossible to lock down Omnitron, which makes sense to me in flavor also, because how could you hold down a persistent artificial intelligence?

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Paul wrote:
Yeah I guess that was ambiguous... In particular, the sentence where you said
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Unless these are determined to be different wording for the same meaning, "Take a card and put into play" never states the card is actually being played, only that it's being placed in the area known as in play.

was true :)

Huh ... another thing I was playing wrong. I think I have a tendency to err on the side of the players whenever there is ambiguity. Oh well, except for preparing for tournaments, I don't generally worry too much about getting all of the rules exactly correct.


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