I believe if you cut out the time at the line of scrimmage, and go with just snap of the ball to whistle and cut all the time inbetween, the actual action of an American Football game is around 11 minutes, and takes about 3 hours and 11 minutes to play
The flipside of that is the time leading up to the snap is about working out the opposition - I was the team photographer for my local team in London (amateur) and the things that the youth team players on the sideline watching the game could pick out was incredible. They were half my age and I felt like a toddler trying to keep up with the things they were observing. Actually listening to those lads did a lot to help me appreciate the importance of formation in football (soccer)
It's all the stopping and starting I couldn't stand. Just as things were starting to get vaguely interesting after a couple of seconds of play, we had to listen to people talking about it for 5 minutes whike everyone moved around.
It just seems so weird to a soccer fan to have the game essentially "reset" so often.
Yeah, I get that - I don't know if I would have kept watching the game if it hadn't been for Bloodbowl! Well, and the Cheerleaders who were very impressive to a twelve year old boy...
I was also lucky in that a friend's dad was a fan and we had a little ball we threw around outside as kids
I'm a soccer and football fan, and the difference between the posturing and bluffing strategy of Football and the flowing emergent strategy of Soccer is really interesting.
I didn't like Baseball until I got really into the history of the Samurai of Japan, and studied sword forms for a while. Baseball is really a constant set of duels, and the story of each at bat is really fascinating.
I love the study of ones opponent, and the attempt to quantify every part of the game, it is really fascinating stuff for me.
It is also a lot of fun drinking a beer and taunting the other team's left fielder while it's warm and the sun is setting behind the gorgeous skyline PNC park gives a great view of.
Baseball is really a constant set of duels, and the story of each at bat is really fascinating.I love the study of ones opponent, and the attempt to quantify every part of the game, it is really fascinating stuff for me.It is also a lot of fun drinking a beer and taunting the other team's left fielder while it's warm and the sun is setting behind the gorgeous skyline PNC park gives a great view of.
Have you tried Cricket? That has a similar duel aspect to baseball (between bowler and batsman), but field placement forms a part of it too with some positions left empty to tempt particular shot attempts, with other positions occupied to capitalise on a misjudgement. That said, I don't know how much of that can be observed in the more digestible forms of the game (the 50 and 20 over versions) as they have fielding restrictions for a certain number of overs
You can go crazily stats nerd with batsmen vs certain types of delivery too!
EDIT: There is a book called "Inverting the Pyramid" that was a fascinating read, giving the history of the tactical eveolution of soccer from 2-3-5 to 5-3-2 (and beyond)
My father grew up in India and played Cricket, he played beer league softball in America and used to crush anything that was too low.
My only first hand Cricket came in Chicago, the park near us had wickets and I would go watch some of the teams. Have the rules down pretty well, and the Bowling is far more interesting than pitching in Baseball.
But dang, a 3 hour Baseball game pushes my ability to spectate.
I played in an intermural whiffle ball league (college), a couple years ago, and all the Indian guys held the bat like they were playing cricket. Whiffle ball is baseball where the ball is designed to fly really slowly, and makes a whistling sound as it flies. It is a sport for kids usually, which is why we could play it without signing anything and we played it indoors
I got a chance to play the game with Darrell & co. at PAX East, and it's a ton of fun. Especially since I took down two of Paul's brothers in a row with my ace pitchers =) the last game went to bases loaded, 2 outs, full count!
I got a chance to play the game with Darrell & co. at PAX East, and it's a ton of fun. Especially since I took down two of Paul's brothers in a row with my ace pitchers =) the last game went to bases loaded, 2 outs, full count!
I need to get better at the pitchers. I got beat by a damn Australian twice in a row as the pitcher and he had Silverleaf-like knowledge of baseball (read: didn't know a thing about it before playing the game)
I find the fatigue track a really smart way to manage pitchers being able to go to their best pitch very often. I've really been enjoying the PnP, can't wait to see more characters for it
I got a chance to play the game with Darrell & co. at PAX East, and it's a ton of fun. Especially since I took down two of Paul's brothers in a row with my ace pitchers =) the last game went to bases loaded, 2 outs, full count!
I need to get better at the pitchers. I got beat by a damn Australian twice in a row as the pitcher and he had Silverleaf-like knowledge of baseball (read: didn't know a thing about it before playing the game)
I am unnecessarily pleased to be a reference point on the scale of ignorance.
I got a chance to play the game with Darrell & co. at PAX East, and it's a ton of fun. Especially since I took down two of Paul's brothers in a row with my ace pitchers =) the last game went to bases loaded, 2 outs, full count!
I need to get better at the pitchers. I got beat by a damn Australian twice in a row as the pitcher and he had Silverleaf-like knowledge of baseball (read: didn't know a thing about it before playing the game)
I am unnecessarily pleased to be a reference point on the scale of ignorance.
looks like they just got up to the sentinels of the ninth. hopefully once they announce this strech goal I can see if I can get the money together. Sentinels in baseball. yay.
My wife thinks Sentinels is ruining our marriage. I think she doesnt know what shes talking about because she wont sit down to play it
looks like they just got up to the sentinels of the ninth. hopefully once they announce this strech goal I can see if I can get the money together. Sentinels in baseball. yay.
The game is well worth the 20 bucks even without Sentinels. Its too solid a game.
The game is well worth the 20 bucks even without Sentinels. Its too solid a game.
I haven't played it yet, but I have to pre-emptively agree with this. It does look like a fun, solid game that I'm excited about playing. It also already includes at least one expansion for Kickstarter backers. I'm really hoping they make the Sentinels stretch goal, but I do think it'll be a good game regardless.
I have my print and play pretty much ready to go, so I'm hoping to try it out soon.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
-Robert E. Howard, "The Tower of the Elephant"
That's why they play 162 games, to make up the time.
The flipside of that is the time leading up to the snap is about working out the opposition - I was the team photographer for my local team in London (amateur) and the things that the youth team players on the sideline watching the game could pick out was incredible. They were half my age and I felt like a toddler trying to keep up with the things they were observing. Actually listening to those lads did a lot to help me appreciate the importance of formation in football (soccer)
It's all the stopping and starting I couldn't stand. Just as things were starting to get vaguely interesting after a couple of seconds of play, we had to listen to people talking about it for 5 minutes whike everyone moved around.
It just seems so weird to a soccer fan to have the game essentially "reset" so often.
Just assume I'm always doing that.
Damn it, Ronway!
Yeah, I get that - I don't know if I would have kept watching the game if it hadn't been for Bloodbowl! Well, and the Cheerleaders who were very impressive to a twelve year old boy...
I was also lucky in that a friend's dad was a fan and we had a little ball we threw around outside as kids
Time for the obligatory Simpsons' video highlighting the difference in countries perceptions of certain sports.
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I'm a soccer and football fan, and the difference between the posturing and bluffing strategy of Football and the flowing emergent strategy of Soccer is really interesting.
I didn't like Baseball until I got really into the history of the Samurai of Japan, and studied sword forms for a while. Baseball is really a constant set of duels, and the story of each at bat is really fascinating.
I love the study of ones opponent, and the attempt to quantify every part of the game, it is really fascinating stuff for me.
It is also a lot of fun drinking a beer and taunting the other team's left fielder while it's warm and the sun is setting behind the gorgeous skyline PNC park gives a great view of.
That's another thing that's weird to me coming from a soccer background - drinking beer at a game.
Just assume I'm always doing that.
Damn it, Ronway!
Have you tried Cricket? That has a similar duel aspect to baseball (between bowler and batsman), but field placement forms a part of it too with some positions left empty to tempt particular shot attempts, with other positions occupied to capitalise on a misjudgement. That said, I don't know how much of that can be observed in the more digestible forms of the game (the 50 and 20 over versions) as they have fielding restrictions for a certain number of overs
You can go crazily stats nerd with batsmen vs certain types of delivery too!
EDIT: There is a book called "Inverting the Pyramid" that was a fascinating read, giving the history of the tactical eveolution of soccer from 2-3-5 to 5-3-2 (and beyond)
Just wanted to second that Inventing the Pyramid is a fantastic read
My father grew up in India and played Cricket, he played beer league softball in America and used to crush anything that was too low.
My only first hand Cricket came in Chicago, the park near us had wickets and I would go watch some of the teams. Have the rules down pretty well, and the Bowling is far more interesting than pitching in Baseball.
But dang, a 3 hour Baseball game pushes my ability to spectate.
I played in an intermural whiffle ball league (college), a couple years ago, and all the Indian guys held the bat like they were playing cricket. Whiffle ball is baseball where the ball is designed to fly really slowly, and makes a whistling sound as it flies. It is a sport for kids usually, which is why we could play it without signing anything and we played it indoors
I played little league. I was so good my batting average was 0.000 with about 25 walks and 4 hit by pitch the last year I played :D
My wife thinks Sentinels is ruining our marriage. I think she doesnt know what shes talking about because she wont sit down to play it
Sounds like the pitchers you were against were good too
ITS FUNDED!!!!!!!!!!!! Stretch goals time
My wife thinks Sentinels is ruining our marriage. I think she doesnt know what shes talking about because she wont sit down to play it
I got a chance to play the game with Darrell & co. at PAX East, and it's a ton of fun. Especially since I took down two of Paul's brothers in a row with my ace pitchers =) the last game went to bases loaded, 2 outs, full count!
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Developer of Sentinels, Bottom of the 9th, and Spirit Island
I need to get better at the pitchers. I got beat by a damn Australian twice in a row as the pitcher and he had Silverleaf-like knowledge of baseball (read: didn't know a thing about it before playing the game)
I find the fatigue track a really smart way to manage pitchers being able to go to their best pitch very often. I've really been enjoying the PnP, can't wait to see more characters for it
I am unnecessarily pleased to be a reference point on the scale of ignorance.
Just assume I'm always doing that.
Damn it, Ronway!
You make any scale better
I am now backing on Kickstarter
Peter's total knowledge of baseball was "it's a worse cricket."
He wasn't even correct! ;)
Lead Bit Flipper, Handelabra Games
Developer of Sentinels, Bottom of the 9th, and Spirit Island
Dem's fightin' words!
On a serious note, are any of the DHMG prodcuts being developed by you guys for IoS/Android/Steam?
Nothing to say publicly at this time =)
Lead Bit Flipper, Handelabra Games
Developer of Sentinels, Bottom of the 9th, and Spirit Island
looks like they just got up to the sentinels of the ninth. hopefully once they announce this strech goal I can see if I can get the money together. Sentinels in baseball. yay.
My wife thinks Sentinels is ruining our marriage. I think she doesnt know what shes talking about because she wont sit down to play it
The game is well worth the 20 bucks even without Sentinels. Its too solid a game.
I haven't played it yet, but I have to pre-emptively agree with this. It does look like a fun, solid game that I'm excited about playing. It also already includes at least one expansion for Kickstarter backers. I'm really hoping they make the Sentinels stretch goal, but I do think it'll be a good game regardless.
I have my print and play pretty much ready to go, so I'm hoping to try it out soon.
That was a great update. Go Clara!
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
-Robert E. Howard, "The Tower of the Elephant"
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