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seeing full picture of tactics maps

Question directed at greater than games team,

I saw on the kickstarter today the picture of the maps but could only see partials on 3 of them due to stacking them. Is there anyway we can get a sneak peak at the full map of each before they ship?

 


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Once we get all the maps in and they're ready to go out, I'll do an update with pictures of all of them.


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Thank you


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Any idea when they will be shipped? Haven't heard anything in a couple weeks.

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After PAX, unfortunately :(


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Any chance of seeing the maps and what comes with them yet? 

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Second this. We need spoilers to tie us over so we don't attack the mail man


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Those look super fun.  Also super cramped, which may also be super fun.


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Spiff wrote:

Those look super fun.  Also super cramped, which may also be super fun.

AZ definitely enjoys the cramped quarters.


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Donner wrote:

 

Spiff wrote:
Those look super fun.  Also super cramped, which may also be super fun.

 

AZ definitely enjoys the cramped quarters.

In Tactics he does.  In SotM, AZ hates Cramped Quarters Combat.

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Great! Thanks! Any chance for some spoilers about the scenarios that come with the maps?

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waedens wrote:

Great! Thanks! Any chance for some spoilers about the scenarios that come with the maps?

There aren't any. At least, I didn't get scenarios.


Just assume I'm always doing that.

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Silverleaf wrote:

 

waedens wrote:
Great! Thanks! Any chance for some spoilers about the scenarios that come with the maps?

 

There aren't any. At least, I didn't get scenarios.

wait I thought there was suppose to be. Any comment from gtg team on this?


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From what I remember (could be wrong) the scenario thing was actually referring to scenario rules, and they were debating putting actual scenarios on the map but decided against it because it made it look really cluttered and crappy.

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From when I saw them at Gen Con, there are a number of specific rules on the map.

But I'd also love to see some scenarios! Maybe someone could take a stab at designing some over at BGG?

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Yeah, there are rules for special hazards and features (elevators, teleporters, conveyor belts, propulsion systems, etc).


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They told us at Gen Con that the scenarios will be available online at some point. (My thought: Packaging scenarios with the maps wasn't really viable or cost effective.)


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I can't complain. Based on what I paid for them I am going to get my money's worth and more. 

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Yeah, they initially said: "Additionally, the poster maps will have scenario information printed right on the maps! You don't necessarily have to use the scenarios to play on the maps, but you certainly can! These maps aren't just places to battle - they are story content as well."  I guess it wasn't practical or aesthetically pleasing to fit all that on the maps themselves, so they just included info about particular hexes, but it would be nice to get some downloadable scenarios in the future. 

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For what it's worth, I know there has been scenario type things written for the maps. I can't speak to distribution methods, though, other than they're obviously not printed on the maps themselves.

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Interesting, was anything related to the maps sent out for play testing? If not there is a real opportunity for a fan contest to come up with official scenarios for the maps.

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Playtesters have seen as much of the maps as you have.  (At least forum playtesting)

Probably one reason they aren't coming with scenarios is the delay playtesting those scenarios would have introduced to multiple things.

The only changes to thecoriginal map tiles from playtesting was elevation 4 being introduced, but I think they were already heading that direction.  

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Yeah, I feel very lackluster about these new maps. Not worth my purchase, unfortunately. The biggest draw to the maps from my camp was the story aspect they would come with (in fact, the biggest draw to the entire system for me was the story and not even the game). The fact that scenarios were promised and not included is super shady, in my opinion. I can't recall it ever being communicated that scenarios would no longer be included over on the KickStarter (or here, really, but there are many pages to scroll through, I suppose), and that seems shady, too. Having backed several KS projects, I understand that things change over the course of production, but it's nice to know these things before you break open the seal...

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I couldn't recall if it was said the maps would come with scenarios or not so I looked through updates and found it was stated here that maps would have scenarios on them https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gtgames/sentinel-tactics-the-flame-of-freedom/posts/818917


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Powerhound_2000 wrote:

I couldn't recall if it was said the maps would come with scenarios or not so I looked through updates and found it was stated here that maps would have scenarios on them https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gtgames/sentinel-tactics-the-flame-...

Yeah, I did the same to make sure I wasn't going crazy. It's pretty upsetting to me, honestly. I know the price was way reduced from the MSRP, but it's still money I wouldn't have spent at all had I known it would just be grids. I was so excited to see what kind of story would take place in the brand new Citadel of the Sun, too. My biggest disappointment, truly, is simply not knowing that they had changed their minds and why....

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I'm not sure either what happened to the scenarios but according to Luther who designed the game that there are scenarios.

lutherbellhendricksv wrote:

For what it's worth, I know there has been scenario type things written for the maps. I can't speak to distribution methods, though, other than they're obviously not printed on the maps themselves.

Hopefully some more information about these missing scenarios is given once the shipping is done.  


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They didn't want to put the actual scenarios on the map, for appearance, also whatever they have is not tested by the forum playtesting, so maybe that is being delayed and they shipped the maps without waiting for scenarios.

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I can understand that but it seems odd it wasn't mentioned in any update.  


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I have to admit feeling disappointed that I didn't get what I actually pledged for, so I'm very much hoping that we'll get downloadable scenarios soon.


Just assume I'm always doing that.

Damn it, Ronway!

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I hope we get to playtest them first.  We have 2 scenarios too many that are flawed.

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phantaskippy wrote:

I hope we get to playtest them first.  We have 2 scenarios too many that are flawed.

Seems like the perfect opportunity to make up for it by opening up that playtesting again for us who pledged for something we didn't get! wink

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Shouldn't be too hard for the community here to come up with a whole bunch of scenario-type reasons people are fighting in each of those locations.  The cramped quarters of the maps and the fact that there is no elevation to hide behind should make fights there really feel different than on regular tiled maps.  Come up with a countdown scenario for a volcano eruption or a "protect the macguffin" scenario in the FF Tower, and you're good to go.


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Did anyone else's maps have a lot of...fuzzies on them? Around the edges? I can only assume so, since all four of mine had them.

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I have not yet received any maps ...


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KS update:

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Hey, everyone! Fulfillment of the Minions minis and map packs is moving along, albeit a little more slowly than we'd like due to a few things out of our control. If you haven't gotten a tracking number yet, hang tight and that will be coming very soon!

We also have a bit of an apology to make. We had said that there would be scenarios on the maps, and many of your have noticed that this is not the case. During the process of producing these maps, we discovered that, in order for any text to be legible, it had to be printed in absolutely huge font. You'll notice how big the text is on those maps; that's how big they had to be in order to be read. That made printing an entire scenario highly impractical, so we decided that they would be produced in a downloadable format. This is where the apology comes in: we really should have informed you of this, and we're very sorry that we did not.

That being said, you're still getting scenarios! They'll be out in a downloadable format by the end of this year. And since they're not going to be the maps themselves, it frees us up to do some more exciting things with them!

Thanks for understanding, everyone.


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But...I don't understand! sad

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If you understand, say "understand." If you don't understand, say "don't understand." But if you understand and say "don't understand" how will I understand that you understand? Understand?


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K. I am glad we got an official response on this. Hopefully they get here sooner than later


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Arcanist Lupus wrote:

If you understand, say "understand." If you don't understand, say "don't understand." But if you understand and say "don't understand" how will I understand that you understand? Understand?

See, but THIS I understand...or don't I?!

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As a clarification, the Kickstarter update last full paragraph should read "not going to be _printed on_ the maps themselves".